tv Martin Bashir MSNBC April 11, 2011 3:00pm-4:00pm EDT
severe storms leave a path of destruction. and blue and gray, black and white, 150 years after the first shots were fired, is america still fighting the civil war? why some believe america is still a house divided. it is open but that hasn't stopped the debateç on the budget. both sides to the took to the air wave. >> we have to decide and it's going to be a tough fight, how are we going to reduce the deficit and get on a more sustainable fiscal trajectory. >> accompanying any debt ceiling, you need real fiscal reforms, spending cuts and spending controls going forward so we can deal with the debt in the future tp. >> nbc news's chief white house correspondent chuck todd is live at the white house.
from what we know, the president's speech wednesday will be broad strokes without a lot of details but can he sell it without the serious specifics? >> that could be the price of trying to get the congress and the republican controlled house to vote on raising this debt ceiling which, of course, is what you so well put into the open there. remember, we've heard from a lot of republican lawmakers, both senate republicans in leadership, speaker boehner on the house side, and other house republicans saying, look, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless there is a path to do long-term debt reduction and that includes entitlement reform. that will be what will be interesting to watch with the president, how much of his own debt commission. remember, you go on white hou house.gov, the executive branch's website, the debt commission lives on that website. it was a bipartisan plan, if you will, there were democrats that supported it and republicans,
and it called for some tax hikes, but through massive tax reform which also would get rid of some tax loopholes but it also called for raising the age on social security, doing some means testing when it came to some of those popular entit entitlement problems like medicare and social security. will there be detail? as you put it, i would be surprised if we'd hear detail, but i'm sure we will here some principles from where he comes from, and the request he is there a road mapç for doing th this year or even at the beginning of next year? i have to say being the cynic i am about how washington works, being only 18 months out from a presidential election, i'd be surprised if this is something that was tackled this year and instead wasn't begun now the conversation but then punted until 2013. >> is it fair to say that the white house has pretty much lost control of its agenda by allowing republicans to dictate what the debate is over the budget? >> it's an interesting way to put it.
when you look at how the budget -- the shutdown showdown went where it looks like republicans got about 70% of what they were trying to get, they didn't get 100%, but it wasn't a 50/50 compromise. despite the fact that democrats controlled arguably as far as the government is concerned two-thirds of the pie, control of the senate and control of the white house, and republicans only control the house and yet they seemed to dictate the terms of the debate and now the president looks as if he's responding to the paul ryan plan. so that's something the white house doesn't like it when other people point that out, aren't you letting the republicans dictate the terms of this debate, but when you watch this, it certainly looks like it. >> chuck todd at the white house for us. congress will soon head from the frying pan into the fire when they take up the issue of extending the debt ceiling and that amounts to the same thing as extending the credit limit on a credit card, something speaker john boehner said won't go over well with his members.
>> but the president has asked us to increase the debt limit. in other words, to increase the limit on the credit card without doing anything about the source of the problem, and we've got to deal with the source of the problem. i can tell you my members won't vote to increase the debt limit unless we're taking serious steps in the right direction. >> nbc's luke russert is live for us on capitol hill. luke, the speaker has said no to raising the debt ceiling. that is unless there's something really big attached to it. what does that mean? >> as we're talking boxing, look at what the headline was in the local washington paper here. theç next round, w blue and re gloves. we're on to the next issue and that is this issue of the debt ceiling which speaker boehner wants massive cuts in spending in order to vote to approve the debt ceiling. now, we have to look at this historically, thomas. the debt ceiling since jfk's administration has been raised
74 times. it's often seen that no matter what party is in power, the debt ceiling is raised. if you don't raise it, there's chaos in the financial markets of not only this country, but the world. speaker boehner is wisely using this as a card to play with his conservative members as well as his general conservative conference that sees spending as a huge issue which they won on in 2010 and can win on in 2012 and will ultimately help the republicans electoral fortunes and they believe drive down the debt of this country. it's very interesting to look at this issue in the grand scheme of things. in march of 2006 senator obama said this, increasing america's debt weakens us domestically, internationally. leadership means the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. american has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better. now, that was senator obama in 2006. who does that remind you of?
speaker boehner, eric cantor, those guys now. while traditionally it has gone back and forth and the minority party has voted against it, this time around boehner is really going to play that hand. he's going to want those massive spending cuts and whether or not they can be delivered in a manner he sees fit, that's going to go down to the last day in my opinion if you saw what happened last time. also from the opinions of folks i've spoken to. may 16th is when this officially runs out. the government can use some accounting shall we say to get it to july 8th, but you could have a july 4th special here, thomas, fireworks going off and not the good ones out of washington, d.c., saying panic, panic, we could sge@q!%m go down. >> luke russert for us on capitol hill. to get some unique perspective on this latest scuffle and the battle to come we want to turn to a 30-year veteran. congressman charlie rangel is a member from new york.
you say the reasons democrats failed to pass the budget was because it was a political hot potatoes. if democrats were afraid of deeper losses in the last election what will it do to everybody now especially with the fact that which don't really have, i guess, a firm lead coming from president obama yet. we still have to wait to see what he's going to say on wednesday. >> well, it was a hot potato only because the democratic majority did not succumb to the filibusters which required 60 votes by the republican senate minority. having said that, that is behind us. whoever said earlier in the program that you ain't seen nothing yet, if they didn't say it, i'm saying it, that the $38 billion, even though it was crucial and mean-spirited and attacked those programs that the poor cannot fight back on, the truth of the matter is that that debt ceiling, which most people don't know and don't care about,
no responsible american that understands the international fiscal system would allow this great nation not to allow the president to borrow money just to pay the interest on the $14 trillion that we owe. so that's off the table. how they play it out politically is something else, but committing political, national suicide is just not going to happen. >> sir, i what nt to re-- want read you what was written in saturday satisfies new york times. this isn't government we'reç watching. it's junior high. it's painful how vapid discourse is and how incompetent and cowardly our leaders have proved to be. do you think that americans are kind of turning a deaf ear to what's going on in washington, d.c.? >> i really do. i really, truly do and what amazes me is everything we're
talking about goes beyond politics. the suffering and the pain that our nation is going through is not democratic and it's not republican. the deafening silence of our religious community, what are we talking about that i'm now trying to throw in the hand of cler clergy? one thing is thousands of americans are being killed through three undeclared wars. we don't hear anything from the clergy. the second is every basic thing is human life and health care. no one can deny that if you attack medicaid and throw that to the state and you take medicare privatize it and do the same for social security there has to be something in somebody's religion who says so how are you taking care of the lesser of our brothers and sisters. when you compare it, in bible it makes certain people villains. i'm not doing that. all i'm saying is we know the private sector has trillions of
dollars that the president of the united states begged them to invest in the united states of america and they ignored him. we know that we have the largest corporations in the history of the world paying zero taxes, and we also know that at a time where foreign oil is going up to $110 a barrel that we are giving millions of dollars to the oil industry. no, we're not taking this seriously. but the in roads, the progress we've madeç since franklin roosevelt, that's what's on the line. it would seem to me jews, gentile, catholic, protestants, muslims should say, hey, who is making these sacrifices and what are you taking away not from the poor and middle class. what are you taking away from america? that's what it is. >> i want to talk to you about age and our aging population, seniors, especially when we talk about the benefits. when we think about and we have the cover of "the economist"
which says the retirement age must go up to at least 70 years old. as someone who continues to work like yourself, do you agree with that? >> you say must and the reason -- my question would be why? i think we should put an age and make sacrifices for the young to work longer is everybody else is putting something on the table. now, if you're telling me that you're making trillions of dollars when 20 years ago you were almost broke and that you're paying zero or nothing in taxes and you're now saying that i have to work until i'm 70 years old, why? sure, i'll think about doing it, but what are you putting on the table and i'm saying the richest of the rich are not even discussed, tom. i'm not saying that we should win. clearly, they won the election, but they are not talking about anything that's american. and when the american people go to the hospitals, go to the emergency wards because they no
longer can get access to health care, they're not going to be republicans or tea party people or democrats, they're going to be americans. so unless we have people coming up and really standing up for what is the right thing, not liberal, democratic programs but just something that their moms or grand moms would tell them to do for the country, and i'm telling you, i don't hear from priests, i don't hear from rabbis, i don't hear fromç ministers. to me not one thing i mentioned was political before it was moral. >> congressman charlie rangel, good to have you today. we really appreciate your time. always fascinating to have you on. >> good to be with you again, tom. coming up next, twister. >> don't go any further, bro. we're going to get hammered. >> violent storms ripped through tornado alley and take aim at millions in their path.
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in libya today signs that moammar gadhafi wants to give peace a chance. gadhafi agreed to a road map for peace after meeting with leaders of the african union. but rebels rejected the plan and protested the delegation when it arrived in benghazi. the opposition is skeptical of any agreement that allows gadhafi to stay in power. stephanie gosk joins me live from benghazi. the big sticking point here will be if gadhafi stays in power. is thereç any hope really that deal can go through if he wantswants to cling to this power? >> reporter: absolutely not, and they were very clear about that today in benghazi. you know, this african union delegation got a warm reception in tripoli over the weekend. moammar gadhafi agreeing to
their peace plan that would have included an immediate cease fire and humanitarian aid and the protection of foreigners but when this plan got to benghazi, it was rejected. people here have been protesting since the middle of february with just this one simple demand, that gadhafi and his sons leave the country immediately and they have said over and over again that there will be no negotiation as long as gadhafi stays in power. today we saw that in spades here and we heard from the head of the national council. this is the rebel -- for negotiation with these african leaders. now we're back to where we were before, which is essentially a kind of stalemate. the fighting continues here in eastern libya in brega around the oil refineries. cities shelled almost every single day. the situation dire. people there running out of
medicine and food and are urgently in need of the cease fire but we did not get one today. >> nbc's stephanie gosk in benghazi. thank you. we turn to japan where the region has been rattled by another large aftershock, a 6.6 quake shook buildings from sendai to tokyo. one month after the 9.0 quake and tsunami destroyed much of the area. charles hadlock joins us from tok tokyo. was there any significant damage reported in the area from today's quake? >> reporter: well, here in tokyo we certainly felt the buildings sway back and forth. the epicenter of today's earthquake was aboutç 100 mile north of tokyo and north of that up in the region that has been devastated by the many earthquakes and the tsunami which hit one month ago today, there were two deaths reported along with several other people trapped in buildings. so it's a constant reminder that the danger is far from over here in japan. >> charles, did the quake spark
any new problems at the fukushima plant and the work they're doing there? obviously, it provides them a setback. >> reporter: it did briefly today. they had to evacuate. the power was cut for a while at the plant, but it was quickly retord. the plant is still leaking radiation and the government expanded the exclusion zone. it had been 12 miles. now they're recommending people 20 miles from the plant leave, not because there's been a spike in radiation -- for a month. they're concerned about the lone-term radiation and the health effects of the people 25 miles from the plant. >> charles hadlock in tokyo. thank you. coming up, dangerous storms ripped through the heartland and take aim at the east. and 150 years after the first shots were fired, is america still embroiled in the civil war? controversial comments straight ahead. whoa.
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the midwest continues to take a beating today as baseball-sized hail and a series of violent tornadoes ripped through towns and cities this weekend. wisconsin and iowa have taken the brunt of it, but today high winds were expected to cause localized damage on a 1,000-mile stretch from texas to the great lakes. chris warren is in wisconsin with more. >> reporter: after yesterday eveni evening's storm, now it's time for people to come down, assess the damage, and start to figure out what's next. the cleanup of this is going to be very difficult. what i'm standing on right here, these are floating docks from the company that manufactures them right over here. these weigh 6,000 pounds a piece and you have several of them just thrown out here. they were stacked up ready to go shipped off. and now they're ruined. they are just gone. walking across snow right now shows you this is an early
season storm, early in spring. we're just getting started here. also want to show you the power of these storms. metal from the roof of this business picked up, tossed over here into this tree, and wrapped around this branch. and over here you have part of a structure used to store things and this -- you can hardly make out what it is, but it's metal and it, too, has been wrapped around. so this goes to show you the power and the destruction of just what these storms can actually do. and now these people are cleaning up, going about their day, trying to figure out what they're going to do next. thomas, back to you. >> that was the weather channel's chris warren. thank you very much. we want to turn now to carl parker who has a look at what's ahead. carl, what's the very latest on this track because it's such a swath of the country that's affected. >> yeah, huge area of potential severe weather across a lot of the country today. it's probably not going to be as bad as it was over the weekend but still there is that potential for severe weather. we're watching this upper level
disturbance, if you can pick out that circulation right there. that'sed tr the trigger. there's a strong jet stream ahead of that. when you've got a jet stream fast upper level wind that becomes co-located with warm and humid air coming up from the gulf of mexico, that's a recipe for severe weather. we'll watch that along this front today and that will scoot farther into the coast here towards the southeast, the carolinas, georgia, florida later tonight overnight and possibly parts of the mid-atlantic region as well. right now there are two tornado watches in effect. the southern most watch area goes until 5:00 this afternoon, does include nashville. we've seen heavy rain here and there are a number of flash flood warnings in effect in the western part of the state. certainly we could see severe storms breaking out but it's not happening right now. could happen over the next few hours as we get more into the heating of the day. also, we are watching a tornado watch into parts of west virginia and kentucky. here, too, not a whole lot going on right yet but that could change later today as more of
that upper forcing, that jet stream really begins to come out later in the day today. again, as you mentioned, a broad area of potential severe weather extending from new york and pennsylvania right down through the midsouth into the southeast. farther south, that's where the greater potential for strong storms is going to be and again in the overnight hours that will extend over into atlanta and up and down that 85 corridor and then towards the coast by tomorrow morning. thomas? >> all right, the weather channel's carl parker. carl, thank you. a serial killer taunts his victims' families. are police any closer to catching this craigslist killer? and some think the united$c% states is in the middle of a civil war. so what's going on? [ male announcer ] in the event of a collision, the smartest thing you could do is cut the fuel supply... ♪ ...unlock the doors, and turn on the hazard lights. or better yet, get a car that automatically does it for you.
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president lincoln shedding a tear and wonders why we are still fighting that war. just last week on this very program reference jesse jackson compared the budget fight in washington to the civil war. >> this really is a civil war fight. this is making the federal government dysfunctional on the 150th anniversary of the civil war. these guys will support three wars, they will support tax dodgers, they will support the wealthiest americans gettingç x breaks and they want to cut into education, health care. this is an ideological battle. >> dr. cornell west is a professor at princeton university and he joins us live from princeton. good to see you again. >> it's a blessing to be on your show. >> dr. west, do you agree with reverend jackson, also california governor jerry brown has said this country is more divided now than at any time since the civil war? >> well, it's certainly divided. i wouldn't call it a civil war.
i think we have a class war. i think wall street oligarchs and corporate plutocrats are very, very wealthy, the rich and powerful are using republican party and unfortunately even tea party brothers and sisters to escalate a war against the poor and working class of all colors. it disproportiona portioportion our red brothers and sisters on the reservation, our brown brothers and sisters in the barrio. it has to do with organized greed at the top and disorganized poor and working people on the bottom. >> i want to have you react to this passage from "time" comparing the attitudes then to the attitudes today. it says, quote, what energy exists in the modern version comes from libertarians who view the union cause as a fearsome example of authoritarian central government crushing individual dissent. slave owners make odd libertarian heroes but by keeping the focus narrowly on
big government this school uses the secession cause to dramatize issues of today. do you agree with that? >> well, elements of it because i do have a libertarian commitments to rights and liberties to all no matter what, so i am highly suspicion of big government becoming big brother, but we're in a situation now we have a predatory capitalism, a jungle capitalismç where you he big banks and big corporations who have corrupted big business and so you get populist responses, sometime right wing populist responses like the tea party and more and more leftist and populist responses like the kind of thing that i would like to see -- that we see in madison, wisconsin, for example. i wish we had more of that where we actually call for the accountability of wall street oligarchs and corporate plutocrats who have greed running amok with no serious accountability to everyday people. >> i want to get your opinion when you see people like donald
trump who has been questioning the president's birth certificate, do you think that has anything to do with race or is it just political red meat to throw to the base that donald trump is -- >> we've got issues of education. we need jobs, serious job bills. we need serious spending as opposed to cuts, but, of course, cuts set the framework of the dialogue. it's the kind of distraction that keeps us at a superficial level rather than being serious about the issues facing the country and the world. >> i liked the phrasing you said, the organized greed at the top. when you watch what's been going on in washington, d.c., the fret over getting this budget in the 11th hour. what's your take on all of that? the drama that goes on in d.c. and how it plays out and affects
real, everyday americans. >> i tell you, brother, it makes me want to listen to little curtis mayfield. we need song to deal with the absurdity to deal with the hick pock hypocrisy and mendacity.ç we have to tell the truth highlighting the plight of the poor. we need progressive voices that are concerned with poor and working people. we have to realize there's rich tradition behind us. >> dr. cornell west, sir, it's great to have you on again. thank you. >> thank you so much. you stay strong, my brother. >> so we are following a developing story out of new york's long island where a murder mystery is unfolding as police hunt a suspected serial killer after expanding the search area to a second new york county today.
police have found a new set of bones, but they have not confirmed they are human remains. at this hour though investigators are out in force hoping to find more evidence. in all eight sets of human remains have been uncovered in the area in recent months. nbc's ron allen joins us live from jones beach on long island. ron, you have been with investigators all day. so bring us up to speed. what's the latest on this new discovery. >> reporter: well, the new discovery is the latest, thomas, and it's unclear whether these are human bones or animal bones. there are a lot of dead animal carcasses found out in this area. it's a very desolate area. these are sand dunes here but the brush that the search is being conducted on is much thinker and heavier. there's a 500-acre pond, there's a huge wildlife sanctuary they're going through trying to search for more remains. it's an arduous process. there are experts on hand who look at the bones and can immediately determine if they are animal bones.
that did not happen in this case which is leading to the suspicion that they are, in fact, human remains, and that would make nine sets here now. unclear whether they're all related or not and this discovery happened about five miles from one -- from the nearest crime scene. so perhaps another front in this. there's questions about whether this is one killer, two killers, just so many questions, a vast territory, and the search continues until dark and perhaps into tomorrow. >> ron allen for us in jones beach on long island. thank you, ron, appreciate it.ç joining us to off some legal perspective is investigative crime reporter michelle sagona. i know you just spoke with the police about the remains. >> i just received a statement from the commissioner's office and it says forensic analysis of the most recent remains is ongoing. at the appropriate time after the reports are received from the office of the medical examiner and/or the identities
are determined, the police department will make that information available. what this tells me, thomas, and how this is all broken down is once these bodies were found, they were shipped off to the new york city medical examiner's office. i spoke with them yesterday and also today. they are working to help suffolk county come up with the identities. once that takes place, they are then in turn sent back to suffolk county to determine the official cause of death. if it mirrors anything about the first four bodies that were found, that process back in december took about a month. we learned about their identities in january. >> michelle, still no, i guess, official linking saying all the murders are connected. it begs to say this is a lot more than coincidence. is it common for a serial killer to use one primary dumping ground? >> sometimes. i was on the serial killer case out of atlantic city, the one in egg harbor where the four prostitutes were found murdered
behind the golden chemo tell. their bodies were 60 yards one apart from the next at various stages of decomposition. in that particular case it seems the person used that area as one dumping ground. in this case and they could be connected, investigators are talking, i can confirm that, the first four bodies of these prostitutes were found 500 yards away from the next. so we don't know, unfortunately, if they were clothed, if they weren't clothed. there are some reports they were in some sacks. but the cases in atlantic city, all of the women's shoes and socks were removed and they were found facedown in the ditch with their heads facing to the east, towards atlantic city. >> the new york post is reporting a child's body is among the remains. nbc news has not confirmed that. would a child's body fit into the pattern of a serial killer and if it proves to be true, how
does that change the dynamics? >> it doesn't really appear to be something -- a serial killer seems to go after a particular kind of person. for instance, we have four white females in december, four white females in the case in 2006. we don't know the identities of the last four and if they were, in fact, murdered or not. or how they were murdered i should say. but if a child is found, especially in this type of search you're watching on your screen right now, is it related to this case? is there another killer? who does this child belong to? if it is, in fact, a child. so i think investigators are also working behind the scenes to determine that. >> michelle, how advanced do you think the profile that they're building for the killer or killers they're looking for is right now. do you feel confident they are putting every resource they have behind this to bring it to a conclusion, get it solved? >> i do, and they are working extremely hard. fuf fol suffolk county police, new york state police, k-9, they're
bringing it out there. searches haven't been taking place on the weekends or if it's cold and they sort of base it on the weather day by day and also they keep the budget in mind. i mean, they do want to be able to dig up the clues and to make the right findings, but they do have to consider other things on the other end. so they're utilizing their police recruits and other folks in the area for tips and information. >> michelle, thanks. as always, appreciate it. >> have a good day. next, take a look at this. the last time we're going to see will and kate together until the big wedding day. andç why are ceos across america smiling once again? too much on your plate? no matter when you get around to booking, hotels.com will have a great last minute deal waiting for you. like at the hotels.com 48 hour sale. this tuesday and wednesday only. hotels.com. be smart. book smart.
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cnbc market wrap. let's look at how stocks are doing today. generally speaking they are in the red. the dow industrials down 8.75. the standards and poor's 500 down 5.25. gas prices going the other way. they are on the rise. the current nationwide average for a gallon of regular fuel $3.77. that's up 89 cents from this time just last year. the retail giant walmart changing its game plan. salusç slumped after the store narrowed its product variety. so now it's beefing up the number of products on store shelves by about 11%. the chain also making a big push for its price match guarantee with a new ad campaign and that one starts today. that's it from cnbc. first in business worldwide. thomas, back to you. >> thank you. happy days are here again if you're a ceo that is. take a look at this guy. the ceo of viacom, you bet he's happy. he raked in about $85 million
last year. more than any other ceo, and he's not alone. executive pay jumped 20% in 2010. in case you hadn't noticed, the big payday hasn't exactly trickled down to the average worker. "the new york times" commissioned the pay survey and the times' gretchen morganson joins me to talk about it. executives and their paychecks are getting fatter. what happened to all that hand wringing about accountability and fiscal restraint we heard during the financial collapse. >> these things ebb and flow, as you know, and, of course, when shareholders were taking it in the neck, when the stocks were plummeting, you know, the executives and the corner office did have to at least make noises about taking pay cuts and for two years they did have a couple of down years, but, boy, they are back with a vengeance this year and so all the hand wringing is gone. >> some of these big bumps are at the companies like goldman sachs, company one, companies we
bailed out with our tax dollars. is it back to the same old game once again? >> the financial services industry benefited mightily from a lot of different bailouts, whether we're talking about what the federal reserve did, whether we're talking about t.a.r.p., and, you know, so, yes, they were huge beneficiaries, so i'm sure that some shareholders would rather have seen them take a little bit more of a less aggressive stance, but i think, you know, if you talk to these guys, they'll argue, look, we earn it. our stocks are back. we're doing well. our earnings are up, and so, therefore, it's justified. >> butç how is this trickling down, gretchen, or if at all? profits are up $7.2 trillion for corporations. that is good news but is any of it making its way down to main street that is, helping with the private sector get jobs going? >> it really isn't, thomas. what is really i think very troubling to many people, especially those who are out of work, is that none of this --
these big ben fits that the corporations received from the taxpayers have trickled down. have certainly not contributed to a fast vastly lower unemployment rate. >> we appreciate your time. gretchen morganson with "the new york times." appreciate it. now to bernie madoff making some new headlines. tamron hall has more on what has people talking about madoff's third interview from federal prison. >> reporter: he's the man responsible for $65 billion ponzi scheme. bernie madoff has served almost two years of a 150-year prison sentence. in his latest jailhouse interview, madoff sat down with a reporter from "the financial times." >> at the outset of the conversation, he said i take responsibility for this. i knew it was wrong. i knew it was wrong when i was doing it. >> reporter: despite his crimes, madoff says he's popular behind
bars saying he's even gotten job offers from business schools around the country. >> and he did say that he had gotten requests from almost all the business schools in the country. he said that many of them were interested in collaborating with him on some curriculum. some of those were ethics courses he would be interested in working with and he said in particular he would like to work with harvard and northwestern. >> reporter: nbc news contacted harvard and northwestern and in separate statements both schools denied having any contact with madoff. >> to hear that these schools say that they haven't reached out to him doesn't shock me. you really have to take everything mr. madoff says in this man is a con vingted criminal and a known liar who has deceived banks, regulate ertioregulaters for decades. >> ana said she would never employ madoff to teach. bringing bernie madoff into a classroom has a certain popular
appeal that people -- it's like a car accident, they want to look at it. that in no way would be beneficial for students and it has no educational value in a classroom. >> reporter: as for madoff, he spends his time working at the prison store and doing some light reading. >> he said i'm reading business books but also reading danielle steele novels. that's the one moment where he looked really embarrassed or ashamed. this was surprising given everything he's done. >> all right. so our thanks to ctamron hall. coming up, will and kate won't be seen in public again until their wedding day. how will we get by? in phillips'h defended against the bad gas, diarrhea and constipation. ...and? it helped balance her colon. oh, now that's the best part. i love your work. [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. i love your work. how are you getting to a happier place? running there? dancing there? how about eating soup to get there?
northwestern england today just to catch a glimpse of the royal couple. a royal watcher, neil shawn, has been closely watching preparations for the wedding day and he joins us now from london. tell us about this last outing, what was the public event that they attended? >> basically it was a charity event to raise awareness for a college. but an interesting fact actually. if as you saw it was raining quite heavily. kate middleton employed a trick that was started way back by the queen mother and that was to have a see-through umbrella. she want invented it because she wanted to be seen by the public. so that was a very clever move by kate. she looked great, she looked very self assured and i personally think that she's the one quite at the moment at least taking the lead. i think william is quite happy to let her take the lead. i think we saw a very self-assured couple, they look very together. i didn't really see any nerves from her. he always looks a little bit on edge, a little nervous like all
grooms-to-be do. >> he's got a little pressure to get through the next couple of weeks anyway. but i like the clear umbrella trick because kate really seems to be winning over the crowds holding her own in this tremendous spotlight and really, i guess, growing into her position. >> well, you know, we need her in the royal family. the bottom line is here she is, she's beautiful, young, glamorous, got great çhair. all the women love the hair. the bottom line is she is going to be a style icon. everyone is going to look at what she's going to be wearing. what we've seen today really, a lot of people say is she like diana. you have to remember those were so many different times. what we saw was a shy, sort of very inward girl when we saw diana. what we're seeing with kate is striegd out, very much self-assured, knowing she looks really good and knowing she has a prince in tow. >> i think a lot of people would take that. neil, new details are released about the guest list. were there any big surprises on
who's invited? >> well, then again, a bit of a revelation i personally think because the guest list that you're looking for was printed in a tabloid newspaper. that isn't the final guest list. it's a close look at some of the people that may be invited. i think guy ritchie is a bit of a shock because he's just on his own. most people who have been invited who are not necessarily with someone full time are only getting one invite which has shocked quite a few people. the strangest one for me, rowen atkinson, better known as mr. bean worldwide. and of course one of our favorite couples, victoria and david beckham, loved really around the world. i think a very brave move by kate to have somebody as stylish as posh spice, even though she's expecting another child. but they're obviously looking at all angles fashion. so no real shocks. a lot lower on celebrities than i think a lot of people thought to be honest. >> it will be a fascinating day to watch. again, we're only 18 days out.
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so the race for 2012 gets a little more crowded today. moments ago republican mitt romney announced the launching of his presidential exploratory committee an he's going along with the new wave of online political campaigning taking to his twitter account to reveal the big 2012 news. that's going to do it for me, thanks for watching. matt miller is in for dylan ratigan picking things up from here. matt, what's on the